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Lane splitting introduced in Washington State.

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Talk' started by JohnnyD, Jan 20, 2017.

  1. I can guarantee this. Without lane sharing we will have twice the dead numbers. We simply have to get out of the way of the texters. The driver's of cars driven by these bozos seem to not care. They drive until they hit the car in front of them. Splitting gets us out of harms way.
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  2. Just needed to vent after the ride to work this morning. I was rear ended today (on my birthday no less) by a lady in her SUV not paying a attention in stop and go traffic. Luckily the bike stayed up and has minimal damage and all my lights still work. License plate was bent but not much else. I split lanes in California for 6 years; most of the time during rush hour. I had plenty of close calls, some my fault, some not. But I never had a single accident with another vehicle in that time. I've been in Washington all of 2 months and I'm in my first accident ever.

  3. Dang I'm sorry. At least you or your bike didn't suffer too much damage. What the driver tell you afterwards? I'm curious if she had an excuse or something.

    It really is frustrating. The bill here gets blocked because ONE person (chair of the transportation committee, Judy Clibborn) doesn't want to bring it to the house for a hearing. So even though it passes the senate (at least 2 years in a row now) it can't be democratically voted on because she ALONE decides "Eh, I don't support it, so I won't hear it in the house". Then we wait another ENTIRE year which is not a short amount of time, by any means, before it can be debated on again.

    I split in limited situations. I will filter to front of a light if it has just turned red and I know I have plenty of time to get up there. There is no sense waiting 10 years of my life for legislatures to see the light.
  4. Thanks. Well I was more towards her passenger side (right side of lane) so my guess is she wasn't paying attention, saw the car in front of her moving, but not my bike DIRECTLY in front of her NOT moving. It felt like she just eased off the brake right into my rear end. I felt it happen and reacted how you'd expect when your 5 month old, $16k dream bike gets hit. I blew the f***k up!!! Once we pulled over though I calmed down a lot. I think the level of angry that I was at directly related to the damage on my bike. She was shaking and apologizing the whole time so hopefully it scared her enough to pay attention from now on....wishful thinking I know..

    It's really unfortunate that one person's opinion holds sway over all of us. Ironically, the reason I was over to the right in the lane was because I was considering splitting lanes but decided to hold off. Some people get really upset when they see you splitting lanes what's up with that?
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  5. What's up guys? i haven't been here in over a year. I see not much has changed :)
    In regards to lane splitting and pass-through traffic, we've had it in CA (San Diego) for awhile now and it's successful. Although people are much more aggressive in driving compared to WA state, they're also a lot better at driving.
  6. ABATE of Washington is working hard to get this bill, SB 5378 lane sharing, ( and others) passed. Your help, support is important. ABATE is looked on as being grey haired harley riders but the sport bike folks are way under represented and need to step up. $25 a year lends a powerful voice. The legislators in Olympia take note now when ABATE takes issue. ABATE of Washington Web site has the info. Also, Spring Opener next week in Easton, 5 bands, 5 motorcycles raffled off, camping, vendors, all are welcome! Proceeds from this event funds our legislative efforts and is fun as well.
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  7. Our area seems to be really big into creating bicycle lanes. I remember last year there was a proposed change to the lane splitting legislation that suggested motorcycles, instead of splitting lanes, could drive on the left shoulder. How difficult would it be to create a motorcyle lane on the left shoulder? Just a 3 foot wide lane for 2 wheeled vehicles? You could just stripe it where you can, and for when there is no shoulder just have it merge into the regular lanes. This is probably a dumb idea, but so are bicycle lanes. Would that make any sense if lane splitting can't get passed?
  8. After getting rear ended a month and a half ago on my bike, I now do this when traffic comes to a stop, or isn't moving past 5-10mph. Once it picks up I jump back in.

    I did have a cop in an unmarked white van jump out into the shoulder to cut me off about 2 weeks ago. He flashed his sirens/lights as I approached and pulled in front of me with about 2/3 car lanes between us. I jumped in behind him and that was it.

    So it's definitely frowned upon even if I see others doing it from time to time. I just wouldn't feel comfortable travelling at any rate of speed past 20-30 on the shoulder what with all the debris. And I think if there was a lane in the shoulder, the commuter lane would always be pushing road debris and other crap right into our path. It's a good idea though for high congestion areas. I split lanes twice up here and I've stopped. I have 0 trust or confidence I drivers. On the shoulder I feel a bit more safe.

    Some freeway on-ramps allow for shoulder use during commuter hours. Why not create a moto lane in certain areas on the highways where traffic is known to be an issue?
  9. As long as these idiots think you're getting ahead. It will never pass. They don't care if you are splattered on the pavement or not.
  10. It is crazy here in Washington. I tried to split the lanes from the 405 to I-5 Interchange (gets backed up all the time) and had almost everyone honking at me or flipping me off and cursing.

    I guess I would do the same if I was stuck and someone was able to get around me.
    I just wave and smile at them, poor cagers.

    In some spots on I-5, it's less than 10MPH stop-n-go, for no apparent reason. That's usually when I get tired of that game and use the left shoulder, only go 25MPH tops and when I see a spot that's open where traffic is moving I get back in.

    Hope this lane splitting get's passed or I will continue to find creative ways around traffic.
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  11. They're to busy worrying about bicycle lanes
  12. OOk

    OOk beansbaxter is too lazy to come up with something

    You people baffle me, do you really think if lane splitting actually passed in WA (and it wont) the average driver is going to magically be educated on the new law? They won't know shit about it and they won't care and they'll keep honking and cutting you off. (And further the negative image of bikers). Do you really think the state of WA is going to send mailers and emails out to commuters saying "hey, be nice to all the new filtering motorcycles, it's the law now!!!" No. Nope. And no.
    Not to mention the death rate for newbs will skyrocket because it takes skill and experience to filter properly. All you're doing is getting a law passed that kills newbs, entirely for your selfish gains.

    Additionally, the motivation for CA's filtering law is from the 60/70's when bikes were primarily air cooled and cali summer temps are consistently in the 80s and 90s. That shit doesn't happen up here. And new bikes are almost entirely watercooled, sitting in 80 degree weather wont kill your bike. Plus riding season is year round in cali, up here it's seasonal so even if it's passed it's still confusing to everyday cagers. 9 months out of the year they see almost no filtering and then all of a sudden for 3 months there are people wizzing by them left and right?
  13. Bit of a fair weather rider are ya? I grew up in northern Canada, that's a true 3 month season. Then 2 years in the north-east, that was more of a 6-8 month season, depending on the bike. You guys have pretty much a year-round season here (western Washington) except for the 1 day of year it snows. Get some rain gear!

    There are only a rare few times I wish to lane split. And it's usually when something clogs up I5 1-2 miles from my exit. But I'm spoiled with no traffic up here in Skagit.
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  14. There seems to be some odd animosity to bicyclists on here, which I find really confusing. I ride both bicycles and motorcycles. And guess what? Both sports lose people every year to inattentive drivers. That's why bicyclists lobby for bike lanes, three feet laws and engage in awareness rides, etc. In a similar vein, motorcyclists lobby for laws that advantage them. Bicyclists have been more successful of late because there are just so many more of them, especially in places like the PNW. But the group have more interests in common than at odds, hence my confusion at the animus.
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  15. Hahaha.......You're joking......right?
  16. Ignorance of the law does not allow you to break it. So said the last LEO who pulled me over.
  17. I think the frustration for people in cars is that when they see lane splitting, it's usually done by the street bikes in congestion or heavy traffic and they are doing it very unsafely and at high rates of speed. We don't witness a lot of safe lane splitting. I worry for their safety. I understand their frustration of feeling like sitting ducks in traffic.
    I agree with JoeSzup - "ignorance of the law does not allow you to break it." That goes for both sides of the coin.
  18. Thanks! I was wondering about this!
  19. There is so much wrong with this it's hard to know where to start, so I'll start with my filtering creds: London, rush hour twice a day, every day, all year long, rain or more rain for 10 years. I wasn't born filtering, I was a newb once, and I leant the skill in one of the busiest, most congested cities in the world. There are no teachers, you must do to learn this, so everyone starts out alone on that journey. And yet I was safer from the very beginning by doing what bikes are meant to do than I would have been while sitting around waiting for something to hit me. The biggest danger to me back then was hitting a patch diesel hiding in the glare of a wet road - those were the only things that broke my bones. There is a very good reason for that: a biker in motion is both agile, alert, and able to avoid hazards in ways that cars can only dream of (and let's face it, lack of imagination and knowledge of the subject is the fundamental problem here in WA). A biker sitting in traffic on the other hand is none of those things, and is essentially unable to react to dangers they are unable to see and are unable to avoid.

    You know, when I took my MC test in WA (yes, they really did make me do that), there was some conversation around this subject. Perhaps inevitably , one of the newly licensed bikers posited that tired old trope that only a cager unversed in the topic could: it's dangerous. That stuck with me. Not because he said it, or because I think he had a point, but because as I walked outside the place after things were done, a car slowed to a stop just as it passed a junction in minor, fairly quiet street. About ten seconds after it had done so another car plowed into the back of it at full force without any sign of breaking and at a speed commensurate with the road, probably 25-30. Right outside the test center. As I had answered in the class: the back of a queue of traffic is the most dangerous place for a biker to be, period. A biker between those two cars would be one of two things, and two things only: a) severely and possibly permanently maimed, or b) dead.

    And now I've typed all this BS up, I realize I've replied to a necroed thread. Have at it.

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  20. spolic

    spolic Ducati Pilot

    I'm an avid bicyclist and all the new lanes are driving me nuts! Here in Spokane, most people only ride bicycles for 5 months tops, the rest of the time its rain and snow. Even on the nicest days when I'm riding, I rarely see other cyclists, unless I'm on the vehicle free Centennial Trail.